Trial Testimony of Marshall Hoot
Section 1 of 3
Section 1 of 3
Volume XX, p. 2110 Marshall Hoot begins DIRECT EXAMINATION
p. 2110 Hoot states he is WWI and WWII veteran, in the Navy from 11/1/43 to 8/44 on converted PT C-21000 in the Gilbert Islands.
p. 2113-2116 Over Collins' repeated objections, Hoot identifies Iva's voice on the records introduced as evidence and as the voice of Orphan Ann.
Vol. XX, p. 2116
MR. HOGAN: Q. Mr. Hoot, are you able to recall any specific statements made by Orphan Ann on the Zero Hour while you were in the Pacific between December 1943 and August 1944?
A. I am.
Q. Will you state to the best of your recollection the substance of what you heard Orphan Ann Bay at that time and place?
THE COURT: What time? What month? Fix the time as near as you can.
THE WITNESS: In the latter part of December 1943 I heard
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the broadcast.
MR. HOGAN: Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was patrolling off the Gilbert Islands.
Q. What did Orphan Ann say in substance at that time?
A. She said -- she played records. She said, "Wasn't that nice? Wouldn't you like to be home dancing with the one you love in your arms?"
Q. Do you recall any other specific statement made by Ann?
A. I do.
Q. Fix the time.
A. On the first of January, the first part of January, 1944.
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was still patrolling off the Gilbert Islands. She said, "I wonder what the folks are doing at home. Have you heard from them lately? Aren't they asking you to come home?
Q. Do you recall any other specific statement on that occasion at that same time and place?
A. I do, on another date.
Q. Nothing else on that date?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you recall any other specific statements made by Ann?
A. Also in the first part of February 1944.1 heard her say --
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was on the Gilbert Islands, patrolling off the Gilbert Islands. She said, "You Know, the boys at home are making the
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big money and they can well afford to take your girl friends out and show them a good time."
Q. Do you recall any other specific statements made by Ann or Orphan Ann?
A. In the latter part -- in the middle of -- before the middle of February 1944, yes, sir.
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was in the Gilbert Islands, off the Gilbert Islands, between there and the Marshalls.
THE COURT: Q. On a ship?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What ship?
A. On the C-21,000, a converted P-T.
Q. What was that again?
A. The C-21,000.
MR. HOGAN; Q. What, in substance, did you hear her say at that time?
A. She said, "Wake up, you boneheads. Why don't you see your commanding officer and demand to be sent back home? Don't stay out in that stinking, mosquito-infested jungle and let someone else run off with your girl friend."
Q. Mr. Hoot, do you recall any other specific statements made by Orphan Ann?
A. In the latter part of February 1944 she said, "You boneheads -- if you boneheads want to go home, you had better leave
Vol. XX, p. 2119 CROSS EXAMINATION begins.
Vol. XX, pp. 2120-2121 Collins takes Hoot through his naval history.
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Q. The C-21,000. When were you first assigned there?
A. I was assigned to that the first part of December 1943.
Q. And you remained on that boat until the conclusion of the war?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where was this boat situated when you went aboard?
A. At Tarawa.
Q. Where is that? In the Gilbert Islands?
A. Right.
Q. You were chief bo's'n's mate or chief bo's'n?
A. I was.
Q. Commissioned?
A. No, sir.
Q. You were a chief bo's'n's mate?
A. Chief bo's'n's mate.
Q. Who was commanding officer on that boat?
A. I was.
Q. You were in command of the boat itself?
A. I was.
Q. Do you recall the length of the boat?
A. 75 feet.
Q. What was the beam?
A. 27.
Q. And you were the highest ranking non-commissioned officer?
A. I was.
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Q. Who were the other non-commissioned officers aboard and what were their ranks?
A. One first class bo's'n's mate, one radio technician, one gunner's mate, one seaman, and one quartermaster.
Q. Was there a complement of men in addition to those non-commissioned officers?
A. No, sir, that was all,
Q. The total complement of the ship itself was five persons. Is there any other description for this boat that you were serving on other than a C-2100. Is it a patrol boat?
A. It is converted to a pickup for aircraft, pickup and patrol.
Q. Is it a speed boat?
A. Very speedy.
Q. Do you recall what knots it made?
A. It would be up to 40 knots.
Q. For the purpose of picking up fighters who fell in the water and things of that nature, is that correct? What type of radio did you have aboard?
A. We had two types of radio. We had our radio for shortwave broadcasting from ship to plane, and we had radio for pickup programs,
Q. By radio for pickup programs, what do you mean?
A. That means a shortwave receiver.
Q. Were you able on that shortwave receiver, receiving set.
p. 2125 Hoot states he has never communicated with the radio man on board his ship since the war ended.
p. 2126 Collins asks him about various radio stations he might have heard.
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A. Not as I recall.
Q. Were you receiving any broadcasts during that period of time from Australia?
A. Once or twice.
Q. Once or twice, and you do not recall the nature of those programs?
A. I do not recall the nature.
Q. Were you receiving any radio broadcasts during that period of time from Radio Manila?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever hear the name of Radio Manila mentioned over that shortwave receiving set during that period of time?
A. I did not.
Q. Did you hear from Radio Java during that time?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Bandoing in Java?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Bangkok?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Singking, China?
A. I did not.
Q. Or from Changsha, China?
A. I did not.
Q. Or from Rangoon?
A. I did not.
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Q. Or from Neirom in Batavia?
A. I do not recollect.
Q. You heard a variety of shortwave programs, didn't you?
A. I did.
Q. From a number of sources, isn't that true?
A. That is right.
Q. On different wavelengths, shortwave lengths or frequencies?
A. That is right.
Q. You did get programs from Japanese-controlled radio sources, didn't you?
A. I did.
Q. During that period of time, and that was from a variety of Japanese radios, isn't that true?
A. Right.
Q. Do you recall the sources of those Japanese shortwave radio broadcasts that you received from time to time?
A. Not all of them.
Q. Did you hear over any of those programs any statement from which those programs had emanated?
A. I do not recollect.
Q. But, they were from a variety of radio stations?
A. Mostly from around Tokyo.
Q. But they were from other stations as well?
A. Probably.
Q. Did you at anytime pick up any broadcast from any Japanese
p. 2129 Further testimony about broadcast sources
Vol. XX, p. 2130
Q. Now, had you heard -- you had heard Japanese broadcasts from various radio stations before you went to Tarawa, isn't that true?
A. No, sir.
Q. Not before? You hadn't listened to any radio prior to that time?
A. I had not.
Q. You hadn't heard any in -- I believe you stated you were at Pearl Harbor or Honolulu?
A. I did not. That was in October and November.
Q. Yes. Now, do you recall on any of the Japanese programs that you listened to whether any announcement was made of the station that was broadcasting, either by the name of the station, or by the initials used by the broadcasting station?
A. "Radio Tokyo" is all I can remember of it.
Q. Radio Tokyo is the only one of the group that you do remember, is that correct, but you had listened to others?
A. I have listened to others. I couldn't recall the name, couldn't pronounce them.
Q. Now, when you listened to these five programs you mentioned on your direct examination, was the name '"Radio Tokyo" mentioned on any of those occasions, if you recall?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Now. Do you recall whether or not on any of these five occasions you have testified to on your direct examination wheth-
pp. 2131-2133 Further testimony about broadcast sources
Vol. XX, p. 2134
Q. Weren't you requested by someone to listen to those records and identify the voice of Orphan Ann on those records?
A. I was told to see if I could identify a voice on those records.
Q. Yes, but weren't you told to see if you could identify the voice of Orphan Ann on those records?
A. I wasn't told to identify anybody's voice.
Q. Before you listened to those records had anybody put any question to you asking you if you could identify Orphan Ann?
A. They asked if I heard her voice if I could identify it.
Q. Yes, they asked if you could identify the voice of Orphan Ann?
A. They asked if I could identify it if I heard it.
Q. So before you listened to the records you knew you were to try to identify the voice of Orphan Ann?
A. If I could.
Q. As a matter of fact, when you listened to those records you heard a voice on those records identify herself as Orphan Ann, isn't that true?
A. That is true.
Q. Yes. So that when the voice identified herself on each of those records as Orphan Ann, then you realized you had heard the voice before, isn't that so?
A. I had heard it before, yes.
Q. Yes. Now, as a matter of fact, the voice of the person whom you identified as Orphan Ann on those records, U.S. Exhibits
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16 to 21, inclusive, is somewhat different from the voice of the person that you have identified as Orphan Ann whom you heard in the Gilbert Islands, isn't that true?
A. The voice on those records is the voice of the woman that I heard in the Pacific.
Q. Isn't the voice different on these records from the voice you heard over the radio in the Pacific?
A. I can't see any difference.
Q. You can't see any difference?
A. No, sir, I can't.
Q. You think the tonal quality is the same?
A. Sounded the same to me.
Q. You did not listen to those records without earphones?
A. Not in this courtroom, no.
Q. You have never listened to any of those records without earphones, have you?
A. I have not.
Q. You are not acquainted with the defendant?
A. I am not.
Q. You have never met her and never talked to her?
A, I have never seen her.
Q. Yes. Who was it asked you to identify the voice of Orphan Ann on U.S. Exhibits 16 to 21 inclusive?
MR. HOGAN: I object to that as assuming something not in evidence, and argumentative.
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Mr. COLLINS: Submitted.
THE COURT: Read the question.
(The reporter read the last question.)
THE COURT: The objection will be overruled. He may answer. You may answer.
A. Mr. De Wolfe.
MR. COLLINS: Q. Mr. De Wolfe; anybody else besides Mr. De WoIfe? Nobody else?
A. Nobody else.
p. 2139 Hoot states that Chick Wilkens, quartermaster, and Brewer, Bosun's mate 2nd class, were there when he listened to Orphan Ann
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Q. Now, do you recall what time of day you heard that broadcast?
A. It was sometime after the evening meal, because the other two boys were cleaning up the dishes in the galley. Usually that is their job.
Q. And not Wilkens and Brewer?
A. No, no, they was with me.
Q. Somebody else was cleaning up the dishes?
A. It was after the evening meal, sometime the latter part of the evening.
Q. How do you know somebody else was cleaning up the dishes?
A. It was my job to see they were.
Q. Weren't you engaged on the bridge at the time?
A. I was on the bridge at the time, but I didn't have to go down in the galley to watch them wash the dishes.
Q. Did you have a clear view of the galley?
A. No, sir, it is down below.
Q. They were at least supposed to be washing the dishes?
A. Well, they were supposed to.
Q. Can you fix the time a little more definitely, Mr. Hoot?
A. I recollect---never paid no close attention to it. We was only interested in it, and it was sometime after, usually after our evening meal, or just before, around dark.
THE COURT: Fix the time as near as you can.
Mr. COLLINS: Yes.
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THE WITNESS: I'd say between the hours, there is that particular quarter, between the hours of 6 and 7.
MR. COLLINS: Q. 6 and 7 p.m., it was still light, is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, on what type of time were you operating, if you recall?
A. I left that up to the quartermaster. I don't know what time it was, but we took the time ticket every morning 0800 form Greenwich.
Q. From Greenwich?
A. That's right
Q. And you heard this particular program between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m. in the evening?
A. Approximately.
Q. Approximately. Now, did you hear that program open on that evening?
A. I did.
Q. Did it open with a musical piece?
A. It did.
Q. Do you recall the name of the piece, or did you recognize the piece?
A. I do not recall the number that was played, what it was at that time.
Vol. XX, p. 2146 Hoot states he never heard POW messages on the program he listened to.
Vol. XX, p. 2147 Hoot states that in the latter part of February, he heard Orphan Ann say, "You boneheads,"---"If you boneheads want to go home, you better go pretty soon, or haven't you heard your navy is practically sunk?"
Vol. XX, p. 2150 Hoot states that he and two or three others listened to the programs in the pilot house with him.
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Q. One deck below?
A. Right.
Q. Now, you were listening then to a loudspeaker, weren't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you recall what time of day that was?
A. That was after our evening meal.
Q. What time did you have your evening meal, Mr. Hoot?
A. Depends on how rough the water was, the weather was. If we had to swing ship, usually after the hours around 6:00 o'clock, 5:30 to 6:00 o'clock, or 5:00 to 6:00, on the chow line.
Q. In other words, you had chow between 5:00 and 6:00, is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you immediately listened to the program from the pilot house, is that correct?
A. When it came on.
Q. What time would you fix the program as having started on that occasion?
A. Program out there started, as I said before, I would say between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 of our time.
Q. On each of these occasions you have testified to on your direct examination, you actually listened to the program you heard between the hour of 6:00 and 7:00, is that correct?
A. That's right, sometime in the early part of the evening.
Vol. XX, p. 2152 Hoot restates he heard the program between 6 and 7 PM.
Vol. XXI, 2155 Wilkens and Brewer were present; Collins keeps asking over and over where he was on the ship, was it Ann or Orphan Ann or Little Annie, did he touch the dial (he didn't).
Vol. XXI, 2161
Q. Do you recall what day of the week it was?
A. I couldn't say.
Q. Were you on duty every day of the week during that time?
A. I was on duty 24 hours a day.
Q. Yes, but I mean every day of the week?
A. Every day of the week.
Q. Even when you were anchored in the lagoon?
A. That is right.
Q. You did not go ashore or stay ashore?
A. I could go ashore, but it was only for a short time.
Q. That was between 6 and 7 in the evening, about, that you listened to that program?
A. It was sometime after our afternoon - our dinner or supper.
Q. You had your dinner, I think you mentioned --
A. Around 5 o'clock.
Q. So it was shortly after dinner that you heard that program?
A. That is right.
Q. So you fix that program between 5:30 and, say 6:30 p.m., is that correct?
A. Our Navy time out there. It was approximately, something in that zone there. It was only where we were.
Q. You were still on Greenwich time?
A. Yes, we were taking our tick from Greenwich, but we had to time ourselves with the rest of the fleet.
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Q. What time was that with reference to Greenwich time?
A. Well, you take Greenwich time, we were twelve hours difference between there and San Francisco.
Q. You were actually operating on that time when you were in the Gilbert area, weren't you?
A. Yes, but the Navy splits their time. We had to for rendezvous purposes. We did not go by the hour; we run on the 24 hours. If I was in one spot today and 24 hours later in another spot, I didn't change my time like you would change if you crossed the Colorado River. We had to rendezvous with other ships and our time stayed as much as five days at that time.
Q. What is that?
A. Our time stayed at the point which we left until we rendezvoused, which might have been 48 hours or 4 days later.
Q. How far did you cruise?
A. Oh, two or three hundred miles.
Q. In what direction?
A. In all directions.
Q. So you described really --
A. More east and west, easterly and westerly direction.
Q. Where were your headquarters when you anchored?
A. The quietest lagoon I could find between Tarawa and Nonuti and Arenuca.
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Q. Was there a theme song?
A. There was a theme song.
Q. Do you recall what theme song it was?
A. No, I do not.
Q. Was it a vocal piece, or an orchestral piece?
A. It was an orchestra.
Q. Do you recall hearing any prisoner-of-war messages read over the program?
A. Not on that program.
Q. Do you recall hearing a skit or comedy or caricature on that program on that occasion, or a dialogue?
A. I do not recall.
Q. What do you recall hearing the lady's voice, who announced herself as Orphan Ann, state on that occasion?
A. She said, "See your commanding officer. Demand that you be sent home. Don't stay out in that stinking jungle and let somebody else run off with your girl."
Q. What did you hear that voice state on or about February 20th to 28, 1944?
A. She said, "You boneheads in the Pacific, if you expect to get home you had better leave now. Haven't you heard? Your fleet is about gone."
Q. Your testimony as to what that voice announced over the radio on February 17, 1944, or about that time, and also on or about February 20th to 28th, 1944, is all that you recall that that
p. 2110 Hoot states he is WWI and WWII veteran, in the Navy from 11/1/43 to 8/44 on converted PT C-21000 in the Gilbert Islands.
p. 2113-2116 Over Collins' repeated objections, Hoot identifies Iva's voice on the records introduced as evidence and as the voice of Orphan Ann.
Vol. XX, p. 2116
MR. HOGAN: Q. Mr. Hoot, are you able to recall any specific statements made by Orphan Ann on the Zero Hour while you were in the Pacific between December 1943 and August 1944?
A. I am.
Q. Will you state to the best of your recollection the substance of what you heard Orphan Ann Bay at that time and place?
THE COURT: What time? What month? Fix the time as near as you can.
THE WITNESS: In the latter part of December 1943 I heard
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the broadcast.
MR. HOGAN: Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was patrolling off the Gilbert Islands.
Q. What did Orphan Ann say in substance at that time?
A. She said -- she played records. She said, "Wasn't that nice? Wouldn't you like to be home dancing with the one you love in your arms?"
Q. Do you recall any other specific statement made by Ann?
A. I do.
Q. Fix the time.
A. On the first of January, the first part of January, 1944.
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was still patrolling off the Gilbert Islands. She said, "I wonder what the folks are doing at home. Have you heard from them lately? Aren't they asking you to come home?
Q. Do you recall any other specific statement on that occasion at that same time and place?
A. I do, on another date.
Q. Nothing else on that date?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you recall any other specific statements made by Ann?
A. Also in the first part of February 1944.1 heard her say --
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was on the Gilbert Islands, patrolling off the Gilbert Islands. She said, "You Know, the boys at home are making the
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big money and they can well afford to take your girl friends out and show them a good time."
Q. Do you recall any other specific statements made by Ann or Orphan Ann?
A. In the latter part -- in the middle of -- before the middle of February 1944, yes, sir.
Q. Where were you at that time?
A. I was in the Gilbert Islands, off the Gilbert Islands, between there and the Marshalls.
THE COURT: Q. On a ship?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What ship?
A. On the C-21,000, a converted P-T.
Q. What was that again?
A. The C-21,000.
MR. HOGAN; Q. What, in substance, did you hear her say at that time?
A. She said, "Wake up, you boneheads. Why don't you see your commanding officer and demand to be sent back home? Don't stay out in that stinking, mosquito-infested jungle and let someone else run off with your girl friend."
Q. Mr. Hoot, do you recall any other specific statements made by Orphan Ann?
A. In the latter part of February 1944 she said, "You boneheads -- if you boneheads want to go home, you had better leave
Vol. XX, p. 2119 CROSS EXAMINATION begins.
Vol. XX, pp. 2120-2121 Collins takes Hoot through his naval history.
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Q. The C-21,000. When were you first assigned there?
A. I was assigned to that the first part of December 1943.
Q. And you remained on that boat until the conclusion of the war?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where was this boat situated when you went aboard?
A. At Tarawa.
Q. Where is that? In the Gilbert Islands?
A. Right.
Q. You were chief bo's'n's mate or chief bo's'n?
A. I was.
Q. Commissioned?
A. No, sir.
Q. You were a chief bo's'n's mate?
A. Chief bo's'n's mate.
Q. Who was commanding officer on that boat?
A. I was.
Q. You were in command of the boat itself?
A. I was.
Q. Do you recall the length of the boat?
A. 75 feet.
Q. What was the beam?
A. 27.
Q. And you were the highest ranking non-commissioned officer?
A. I was.
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Q. Who were the other non-commissioned officers aboard and what were their ranks?
A. One first class bo's'n's mate, one radio technician, one gunner's mate, one seaman, and one quartermaster.
Q. Was there a complement of men in addition to those non-commissioned officers?
A. No, sir, that was all,
Q. The total complement of the ship itself was five persons. Is there any other description for this boat that you were serving on other than a C-2100. Is it a patrol boat?
A. It is converted to a pickup for aircraft, pickup and patrol.
Q. Is it a speed boat?
A. Very speedy.
Q. Do you recall what knots it made?
A. It would be up to 40 knots.
Q. For the purpose of picking up fighters who fell in the water and things of that nature, is that correct? What type of radio did you have aboard?
A. We had two types of radio. We had our radio for shortwave broadcasting from ship to plane, and we had radio for pickup programs,
Q. By radio for pickup programs, what do you mean?
A. That means a shortwave receiver.
Q. Were you able on that shortwave receiver, receiving set.
p. 2125 Hoot states he has never communicated with the radio man on board his ship since the war ended.
p. 2126 Collins asks him about various radio stations he might have heard.
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A. Not as I recall.
Q. Were you receiving any broadcasts during that period of time from Australia?
A. Once or twice.
Q. Once or twice, and you do not recall the nature of those programs?
A. I do not recall the nature.
Q. Were you receiving any radio broadcasts during that period of time from Radio Manila?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever hear the name of Radio Manila mentioned over that shortwave receiving set during that period of time?
A. I did not.
Q. Did you hear from Radio Java during that time?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Bandoing in Java?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Bangkok?
A. I did not.
Q. Or Radio Singking, China?
A. I did not.
Q. Or from Changsha, China?
A. I did not.
Q. Or from Rangoon?
A. I did not.
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Q. Or from Neirom in Batavia?
A. I do not recollect.
Q. You heard a variety of shortwave programs, didn't you?
A. I did.
Q. From a number of sources, isn't that true?
A. That is right.
Q. On different wavelengths, shortwave lengths or frequencies?
A. That is right.
Q. You did get programs from Japanese-controlled radio sources, didn't you?
A. I did.
Q. During that period of time, and that was from a variety of Japanese radios, isn't that true?
A. Right.
Q. Do you recall the sources of those Japanese shortwave radio broadcasts that you received from time to time?
A. Not all of them.
Q. Did you hear over any of those programs any statement from which those programs had emanated?
A. I do not recollect.
Q. But, they were from a variety of radio stations?
A. Mostly from around Tokyo.
Q. But they were from other stations as well?
A. Probably.
Q. Did you at anytime pick up any broadcast from any Japanese
p. 2129 Further testimony about broadcast sources
Vol. XX, p. 2130
Q. Now, had you heard -- you had heard Japanese broadcasts from various radio stations before you went to Tarawa, isn't that true?
A. No, sir.
Q. Not before? You hadn't listened to any radio prior to that time?
A. I had not.
Q. You hadn't heard any in -- I believe you stated you were at Pearl Harbor or Honolulu?
A. I did not. That was in October and November.
Q. Yes. Now, do you recall on any of the Japanese programs that you listened to whether any announcement was made of the station that was broadcasting, either by the name of the station, or by the initials used by the broadcasting station?
A. "Radio Tokyo" is all I can remember of it.
Q. Radio Tokyo is the only one of the group that you do remember, is that correct, but you had listened to others?
A. I have listened to others. I couldn't recall the name, couldn't pronounce them.
Q. Now, when you listened to these five programs you mentioned on your direct examination, was the name '"Radio Tokyo" mentioned on any of those occasions, if you recall?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. Now. Do you recall whether or not on any of these five occasions you have testified to on your direct examination wheth-
pp. 2131-2133 Further testimony about broadcast sources
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Q. Weren't you requested by someone to listen to those records and identify the voice of Orphan Ann on those records?
A. I was told to see if I could identify a voice on those records.
Q. Yes, but weren't you told to see if you could identify the voice of Orphan Ann on those records?
A. I wasn't told to identify anybody's voice.
Q. Before you listened to those records had anybody put any question to you asking you if you could identify Orphan Ann?
A. They asked if I heard her voice if I could identify it.
Q. Yes, they asked if you could identify the voice of Orphan Ann?
A. They asked if I could identify it if I heard it.
Q. So before you listened to the records you knew you were to try to identify the voice of Orphan Ann?
A. If I could.
Q. As a matter of fact, when you listened to those records you heard a voice on those records identify herself as Orphan Ann, isn't that true?
A. That is true.
Q. Yes. So that when the voice identified herself on each of those records as Orphan Ann, then you realized you had heard the voice before, isn't that so?
A. I had heard it before, yes.
Q. Yes. Now, as a matter of fact, the voice of the person whom you identified as Orphan Ann on those records, U.S. Exhibits
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16 to 21, inclusive, is somewhat different from the voice of the person that you have identified as Orphan Ann whom you heard in the Gilbert Islands, isn't that true?
A. The voice on those records is the voice of the woman that I heard in the Pacific.
Q. Isn't the voice different on these records from the voice you heard over the radio in the Pacific?
A. I can't see any difference.
Q. You can't see any difference?
A. No, sir, I can't.
Q. You think the tonal quality is the same?
A. Sounded the same to me.
Q. You did not listen to those records without earphones?
A. Not in this courtroom, no.
Q. You have never listened to any of those records without earphones, have you?
A. I have not.
Q. You are not acquainted with the defendant?
A. I am not.
Q. You have never met her and never talked to her?
A, I have never seen her.
Q. Yes. Who was it asked you to identify the voice of Orphan Ann on U.S. Exhibits 16 to 21 inclusive?
MR. HOGAN: I object to that as assuming something not in evidence, and argumentative.
Vol. XX, p. 2136
Mr. COLLINS: Submitted.
THE COURT: Read the question.
(The reporter read the last question.)
THE COURT: The objection will be overruled. He may answer. You may answer.
A. Mr. De Wolfe.
MR. COLLINS: Q. Mr. De Wolfe; anybody else besides Mr. De WoIfe? Nobody else?
A. Nobody else.
p. 2139 Hoot states that Chick Wilkens, quartermaster, and Brewer, Bosun's mate 2nd class, were there when he listened to Orphan Ann
Vol. XX, p. 2141
Q. Now, do you recall what time of day you heard that broadcast?
A. It was sometime after the evening meal, because the other two boys were cleaning up the dishes in the galley. Usually that is their job.
Q. And not Wilkens and Brewer?
A. No, no, they was with me.
Q. Somebody else was cleaning up the dishes?
A. It was after the evening meal, sometime the latter part of the evening.
Q. How do you know somebody else was cleaning up the dishes?
A. It was my job to see they were.
Q. Weren't you engaged on the bridge at the time?
A. I was on the bridge at the time, but I didn't have to go down in the galley to watch them wash the dishes.
Q. Did you have a clear view of the galley?
A. No, sir, it is down below.
Q. They were at least supposed to be washing the dishes?
A. Well, they were supposed to.
Q. Can you fix the time a little more definitely, Mr. Hoot?
A. I recollect---never paid no close attention to it. We was only interested in it, and it was sometime after, usually after our evening meal, or just before, around dark.
THE COURT: Fix the time as near as you can.
Mr. COLLINS: Yes.
Vol. XX, p. 2142
THE WITNESS: I'd say between the hours, there is that particular quarter, between the hours of 6 and 7.
MR. COLLINS: Q. 6 and 7 p.m., it was still light, is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, on what type of time were you operating, if you recall?
A. I left that up to the quartermaster. I don't know what time it was, but we took the time ticket every morning 0800 form Greenwich.
Q. From Greenwich?
A. That's right
Q. And you heard this particular program between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m. in the evening?
A. Approximately.
Q. Approximately. Now, did you hear that program open on that evening?
A. I did.
Q. Did it open with a musical piece?
A. It did.
Q. Do you recall the name of the piece, or did you recognize the piece?
A. I do not recall the number that was played, what it was at that time.
Vol. XX, p. 2146 Hoot states he never heard POW messages on the program he listened to.
Vol. XX, p. 2147 Hoot states that in the latter part of February, he heard Orphan Ann say, "You boneheads,"---"If you boneheads want to go home, you better go pretty soon, or haven't you heard your navy is practically sunk?"
Vol. XX, p. 2150 Hoot states that he and two or three others listened to the programs in the pilot house with him.
Vol. XX, p. 2151
Q. One deck below?
A. Right.
Q. Now, you were listening then to a loudspeaker, weren't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you recall what time of day that was?
A. That was after our evening meal.
Q. What time did you have your evening meal, Mr. Hoot?
A. Depends on how rough the water was, the weather was. If we had to swing ship, usually after the hours around 6:00 o'clock, 5:30 to 6:00 o'clock, or 5:00 to 6:00, on the chow line.
Q. In other words, you had chow between 5:00 and 6:00, is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you immediately listened to the program from the pilot house, is that correct?
A. When it came on.
Q. What time would you fix the program as having started on that occasion?
A. Program out there started, as I said before, I would say between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 of our time.
Q. On each of these occasions you have testified to on your direct examination, you actually listened to the program you heard between the hour of 6:00 and 7:00, is that correct?
A. That's right, sometime in the early part of the evening.
Vol. XX, p. 2152 Hoot restates he heard the program between 6 and 7 PM.
Vol. XXI, 2155 Wilkens and Brewer were present; Collins keeps asking over and over where he was on the ship, was it Ann or Orphan Ann or Little Annie, did he touch the dial (he didn't).
Vol. XXI, 2161
Q. Do you recall what day of the week it was?
A. I couldn't say.
Q. Were you on duty every day of the week during that time?
A. I was on duty 24 hours a day.
Q. Yes, but I mean every day of the week?
A. Every day of the week.
Q. Even when you were anchored in the lagoon?
A. That is right.
Q. You did not go ashore or stay ashore?
A. I could go ashore, but it was only for a short time.
Q. That was between 6 and 7 in the evening, about, that you listened to that program?
A. It was sometime after our afternoon - our dinner or supper.
Q. You had your dinner, I think you mentioned --
A. Around 5 o'clock.
Q. So it was shortly after dinner that you heard that program?
A. That is right.
Q. So you fix that program between 5:30 and, say 6:30 p.m., is that correct?
A. Our Navy time out there. It was approximately, something in that zone there. It was only where we were.
Q. You were still on Greenwich time?
A. Yes, we were taking our tick from Greenwich, but we had to time ourselves with the rest of the fleet.
Vol. XXI, 2162
Q. What time was that with reference to Greenwich time?
A. Well, you take Greenwich time, we were twelve hours difference between there and San Francisco.
Q. You were actually operating on that time when you were in the Gilbert area, weren't you?
A. Yes, but the Navy splits their time. We had to for rendezvous purposes. We did not go by the hour; we run on the 24 hours. If I was in one spot today and 24 hours later in another spot, I didn't change my time like you would change if you crossed the Colorado River. We had to rendezvous with other ships and our time stayed as much as five days at that time.
Q. What is that?
A. Our time stayed at the point which we left until we rendezvoused, which might have been 48 hours or 4 days later.
Q. How far did you cruise?
A. Oh, two or three hundred miles.
Q. In what direction?
A. In all directions.
Q. So you described really --
A. More east and west, easterly and westerly direction.
Q. Where were your headquarters when you anchored?
A. The quietest lagoon I could find between Tarawa and Nonuti and Arenuca.
Vol. XXI, 2165
Q. Was there a theme song?
A. There was a theme song.
Q. Do you recall what theme song it was?
A. No, I do not.
Q. Was it a vocal piece, or an orchestral piece?
A. It was an orchestra.
Q. Do you recall hearing any prisoner-of-war messages read over the program?
A. Not on that program.
Q. Do you recall hearing a skit or comedy or caricature on that program on that occasion, or a dialogue?
A. I do not recall.
Q. What do you recall hearing the lady's voice, who announced herself as Orphan Ann, state on that occasion?
A. She said, "See your commanding officer. Demand that you be sent home. Don't stay out in that stinking jungle and let somebody else run off with your girl."
Q. What did you hear that voice state on or about February 20th to 28, 1944?
A. She said, "You boneheads in the Pacific, if you expect to get home you had better leave now. Haven't you heard? Your fleet is about gone."
Q. Your testimony as to what that voice announced over the radio on February 17, 1944, or about that time, and also on or about February 20th to 28th, 1944, is all that you recall that that
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